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Posted by robertlh on May 09, 2011 at 22:08:29:

In Reply to: Judges and Drinking posted by Steph on May 09, 2011 at 15:27:13:

I almost hate to bring this up, but I can’t find a “definite” violation of the KCBS rules – and hope somebody will point them out here – in black and white.

Copied from the Judges CD text –
Additional things to remember:
Water will be furnished during the judging period.
No alcohol, carbonated beverages or scented wipes are allowed during judging.

Copied from the Rep’s manual Judge’s Meeting Agenda –

No alcoholic beverages may be consumed during the judging period. This is grounds for immediate disqualification as a judge.

Rep Advisory 7.46 Removing Judges
Question: On what grounds can a KCBS Rep remove a judge?
Opinion: Each and every KCBS Rep has the authority to remove a judge at any time.
Grounds for removal include, but are not limited to the following:
1. Not following the rules after being warned
2. Talking during the judging process
3. Sickness
4. Disruptive child
5. Under the age of 16
6. Intoxicated, or under the influence of controlled substance
7. Advising other judges on how to score
8. Scoring too low or too high February 17, 2006

I support Steph and Mike but were these folks really in violation of a KCBS rule? Were they Intoxicated? 35 yrs of law enforcement tells me "observation" is insufficient evidence. I need scientific proof. Are Reps gonna be issued $10,000 Certified Evidentary devices? Even a PBT is not proof; only subjective and probable cause. Obviously the first statement of 7.46 can be applied along with KCBS Rule #1 - the KCBS Rep has final say.

Wow - very tough here folks.

Not sticking up for these guys but was there a true rule violation? As definitely not condoning their verbal "attack" on Steph. That was WRONG.

Robert in Garden City

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